I'm glad you are happy with the setup that you chose.

Truck Action, could you please post some supporting evidence to the "facts"?

What "ill" effects are there in a properly designed reverse 4 link?

Sure I'm a bit defensive because I have that setup, but I've never seen anyone be able to support the drone of negatives about them with anything other than hear say. While a forward setup can be better for being able to be tuned, they can be setup even more dangerously than a reverse setup. (You can never accidentally induce over steer like a crappy forward setup.)

I'm at somewhere around 200 hp to the wheels at this point and have suffered no "ill" effects. No wheel hop, no excessive squatting, no uncontrollable counter steer or over steer. To me it seems that it's a bunch of BS.

Will a forward outperform a reverse setup? Yep, at the dragstrip. I don't go to dragstrips, so I'll never see the difference. They both work in the real world, they hold the axle laterally and allow it to travel up and down.

 

You really should give credit if you didn't write this. So that the whole piece could be read....

Was it a copy and paste?

 

Ok White Trash, I don't know if I have ever used the words "great" and "reverse 4 link" in the same sentence. I could be wrong, but I've always said that it is a compromise. It does what it is supposed to do. I've also never claimed to be Galileo, or a physicist. I do however, understand 4 link suspension design pretty well. I've been building both forward and reverse (one) suspensions for over 15 years now at my family's 4 wheel drive shop.

You cited an article written by someone who doesn't know how to spell. Now, that doesn't mean that he doesn't know his stuff, but it counts for something. Even he states in the final paragraph....

"Finally, before settling on a suspension design, be honest about what you need your truck to do, not what you want it to do or how you want it to look. We all want our trucks to be the very best, but the actual use of your truck should be considered in your suspension design. If you want a truck that can put 1,000 hp to the ground using a limited-travel suspension design and still be able to drive it to work every day, you're going to suffer with an ill-driving truck in most situations. The same goes for a daily driver that has too much suspension travel-it just won't drive very well that way."

I'd have to revisit you guys' build pages, but unless you have v8 or turbo inline 6 power you will never overpower a reverse setup that is properly designed.

The thing that bothers me most is the crap that I see like this.

WTF? I own a few books on suspension design. None of them cover reverse 4 links. I have never seen or read a book or talked to anyone who has actually thought out the effects of the reverse setup that could explain exactly why it it such a bad idea for anyone to use it.

How do you determine what "the best way to go" is for me? Or anyone else for that matter? Are you driving their truck? Are you performing their work, or paying for their parts? But, in the same sentence, "It will work..." Huh? If it's such a bad design, how can this be? Even though "it will work", "you may never feel or experience the ill effects"? If I never feel or experience them, then for all intents and purposes, they don't exist in my circumstances.

Your "option is do it once & do it right!!". First off, why are you yelling at me? Secondly I did mine once and love it. Not out of stubbornness, but out of the fact that it does the job I need it to. Imagine that! I researched it, saw all the BS about how evil and terrible they were, modeled it, and yes, built it. Will I build another one? Maybe, but I have one, so why would I? Would I build a different setup? Sure, if it fits the circumstances of the next build.

I don't have anything against you guys for not agreeing with me, but to label something and say that it won't work for me or the next guy? Come on, take a look at Obamacare, since when does anything work best for everyone?

Anyway, that's my rant for the evening.

 

Umm, this is a cite.

I think it fits definition number 2..

That is the worst description of the similarities in suspension geometry I've ever heard. In FWD only? From that, I can't take anything else you've said concerning the subject seriously. Maybe you should rethink it.... A front suspension on a Jeep has very little to do with a reverse 4 link on the rear of a vehicle.

That is an insult. And a bit torpid. I'm LAZY? Who the heck are you? I've worked my a$$ off to keep this truck as clean looking as possible. By using this inferior design, I've managed to keep everything under the floor of the bed while looking mostly stock. Heck yes I "deserve" the design I chose. I freakin' chose, designed, and built it.
I can't seem to get it though to you guys, I don't live with any of the "bad" problems you seem to think I do. If and when I do, I'm man enough to get on here and start a thread about how "wrong" and "lazy" I was.

Your closed mindedness is extremely bothersome.

 

Ok, I'm sorry. I just get worked up when I'm told that what I've done doesn't do what it does (or does what it doesn't).

You guys are welcome to drive my truck if you are ever in town.

The Jeep analogy still doesn't work because any time any vehicle tries to accelerate, it transfers weight to the rear. A reverse link setup cannot transfer enough weight to the front wheels to even come close to the former.

•I designed my setup, I didn't bandaid it.... I haven't changed it since I finished it.

Anyway, while I meant everything I said previously, I will in a day or two clean up this thread. I didn't mean for it to get hijacked....

Have a good one guys.